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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2017, 12:25:55 PM »
Like everything the intended purpose needs to be considered. If the vehicle is a daily driver and fuel consumption is a factor, then yes every pound makes a difference. However as you try harder and harder trails those light duty components see more stress. Take rubber bushings on the control arms for instance. for most people rubber bushings work great, however there is a reason they are not used on both ends of a long arm kit. the rubber bushings cannot handle the flex reliably, so you switch to a heim or johnny joint. I would bet a johnny joint is double the weight of a rubber bushing. Multiply that added weight by 16 ( 2 joints per arm ) Bam added tons of weight.

How about something simple like a drive shaft. we all convert to a slip yoke eliminator and double cardon shaft. I would bet the double cardon joint is added weight.

Throw 2 arb's into an axle, those bastards are heavy

If your building a non one off jeep, there are not a lot of weld on components that add more weight than bolt on mods would. I bet I could make a tj weigh just as much as mine with just bolt on parts


The other consideration is cost vs weight. Im cheap, if i can save a few dollars and make it myself I will. With that comes alot of over building, since I dont know what will fail. Attached is a photo of my skid plate for tranny and oil pan. total cost FREE because I already had the plate from another project. The entire skid plate is 1/4 plate. Is it heavy, hell yeah. will it break, hell no. A pre made skid would be lighter but cost way more ( 350 for comparable)



Now I did go over kill with my link material 


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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2017, 01:11:31 PM »


Awesome!

I'm with Tom, build it so it don't break on the trail!  Nothing worse than holding up a trail ride because you did something stupid your rig wasn't built for. Or you wheel your rig without proper maintenance and a good once over before hitting the trail! :rolleyes:

If you are worried about MPG than the Jeep is not for you.  If your into Jeeps and love them for what they are, don't pay attention at the pump!  I haven't paid attention to MPG since my 20s and I'm happier for it.  NONE of my vehicles are fuel efficient.  If it bothers you that much, get a DD Civic or scooter!

F250 6.4L=12-16 MPG depending on load, 10-12 MPG with camper and Jeep in tow.
TJ 4.0L=(I'm guessing) 14 MPG 35s with 4.10 gears.
Ford Edge 3.6L AWD=16-19 MPG.

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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2017, 01:45:24 PM »
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5100 pound
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5100 may sound like a lot; but the jeep will do 80 down the highway, comfortable enough for a multiple hour drive, and still goes good in the woods.

It really needs a V8.

as long as the power / gearing is there to move the weight, I dont see overall rig weight as an issue. If anything a heavier vehicle with the same aired down contact pattern on the rocks will go better... More gription bro
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2017, 01:47:44 PM »
I have to say  that over the years the Red Jeep has seen many incarnations.

But,  I have never said to myself "I wish I had the 6 cylinder back, instead of that damn 401", ever.
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2017, 01:51:27 PM »
LOL !!!!!
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2017, 02:13:57 PM »
Good discussion.  I don't disagree with (most) of what's being said.  I'm just pointing out that pure physics say that if you have to move more weight, you're going to cause more stress doing it.  If the components being added/replaced are worth the added weight, then by all means do it (my JK certainly weighs more than stock).  But if you're adding something that adds little or no benefit, then why bother?

As far as MPG, I've owned a few vehicles that have gotten worse than my JK, so I'm use to low gas mileage.  I'm just saying why waist the MPGs if you don't have to?  Again, "weigh" the benefits.

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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2017, 02:19:17 PM »
I just lost 5 iq points reading this thread
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2017, 02:21:01 PM »
im gonna sell it all and buy a prius and trailer a moped
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2017, 03:28:08 PM »
im gonna sell it all and buy a prius and trailer a moped

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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2017, 03:29:05 PM »
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2017, 03:30:16 PM »
im gonna sell it all and buy a prius and trailer a moped

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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2017, 03:38:45 PM »
im gonna sell it all and buy a prius and trailer a moped

By Law Change: "Must own a Prius"

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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2017, 04:39:53 PM »
WOW, thin skin...

I thought this was a day of fun and lively conversation...  :razz:
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2017, 05:08:43 PM »
But think of all the weight you'd save in pop rivetzzz  :razz:


*I can't believe I'm the 1st one to pop broken over teh rivetz, what's wrong with you guys!  :rolleyes:

And I'm all for light rigs. At the end I was ripping body panels off the MJ and even with an open D30 I would have taken anyone on in a timed race up OFR or MB, I 1 shot all those ledges or at most a set-up and a bump :mad02:

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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2017, 05:44:37 PM »
Roofing tar and pop screws is not always the best repair
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2017, 05:49:15 PM »
That self-adhesive roof flashing from HD was genius...kept my feet from falling out the bottom

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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2017, 06:02:44 PM »
I wish Tom didn't kill broken.  A high lift could have fixed it
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2017, 06:35:21 PM »
That self-adhesive roof flashing from HD was genius...kept my feet from falling out the bottom

Nice.
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2017, 06:53:18 PM »
WOW, thin skin...

I thought this was a day of fun and lively conversation...  :razz:

Easy, Pat.  All is good.  I guess my sarcasm doesn't come across well in print.  Trust me, I was joking.  And my skin is thicker than it looks.  But I still would never buy a Prius.
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2017, 10:29:17 PM »
WOW, thin skin...

I thought this was a day of fun and lively conversation...  :razz:

Easy, Pat.  All is good.  I guess my sarcasm doesn't come across well in print.  Trust me, I was joking.  And my skin is thicker than it looks.  But I still would never buy a Prius.

Hey, what's wrong with owning a Prius?
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Re: People that weld shouldn't build Jeeps.
« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2017, 05:34:04 AM »
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That self-adhesive roof flashing from HD was genius
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Roofing tar and pop screws
Adding more floor mats, worked good also  :eek:
It worked great until a log came through the floor and almost got my leg.  :eek:

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I wish Tom didn't kill broken.  A high lift could have fixed it
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