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Steering Box Questions
« on: July 15, 2017, 05:15:26 PM »
My TJ has an older aftermarket PSC steering box.  I noticed a little slop in the sector shaft when turning full lock (maybe 1/8" of movement tops).  I also think it may be the source of a snapping noise I sometimes get when turning lock to lock...

The casting number on the box is 5687962.  That comes up as a Saginaw part number used on many older trucks.

I checked the PSC website and a new box from them is over $800  :eek:

Are these things rebuild-able?  What makes the PSC box stronger than a factory unit?

The rest of the steering system is a PSC high volume pump and reservoir.

I appreciate any feedback...

Thanks
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 06:10:44 PM »
PSC. Has  a checkered past.

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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 06:28:25 AM »
I happen to prefer PSC over AGR any day !  They are just rebuilt stock and new housings . Yes , every box is rebuild able but a little intimidating if you havent done one. Lots of U-Tube vids on the subject. The biggest difference in the two aftermarket Cos. over stock is the fact the housing are usually machined better and ported to flow better. The pump is usually  a modified stock unit that puts out more PSI. Some of their boxes are ported to add hydro assist steering or total hydro.   If the sector shaft moves any way other than rotate , you can bet the bearing is going and the seal wont like it for very long . There is an adjustment for the sector shaft to get the mesh right (no play) . But that isnt how you fix a moving shaft. Hope this helps.   FjR68

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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 12:21:55 PM »
PSC. Has  a checkered past.


  I stumbled upon a thread on NAXJA and other Jeep sites that reinforced that notion!
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2017, 03:20:55 PM »
If it were me, And yes i know Im odd


I would go to the parts store or junk yard, and find a tj steering box for cheap.

Then swap that into your jeep, Take out the psc box and rebuild it. find the bearing numbers, find a saginaw rebuild kit, then swap the rebuilt box into your jeep.

The boxes are very simple, just gotta have a clean work bench and patience
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 03:41:07 PM »
If it were me, And yes i know Im odd


I would go to the parts store or junk yard, and find a tj steering box for cheap.

Then swap that into your jeep, Take out the psc box and rebuild it. find the bearing numbers, find a saginaw rebuild kit, then swap the rebuilt box into your jeep.

The boxes are very simple, just gotta have a clean work bench and patience

I agree...... Tom is odd



Only odd is good. I like the idea. And once the newly rebuilt box is installed you'll have a spare one if SHTF
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 06:48:53 PM »
I spoke with PSC today.  They said the sector shaft bearing probably needs to be replaced.  Said I pay to ship it to them and they will take care of it...

Meanwhile - I'll pick up a stock TJ box and swap it in for the time being
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2017, 07:42:31 PM »
Are TJ boxes the same as XJ?
I'm using one out of a 98 Durango (with a V8)
Same length, same mounting footprint, Junkyard cheap.
The body is a larger diameter, meaning the "standoff feet" of the mounting bracket need to be taller.
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2017, 07:57:26 PM »
I have a YJ box if you want to try it.
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2017, 09:24:34 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions  :wink:  The 5687962 Saginaw box the PSC box I have is based one that is readily available from Rock Auto for a variety of old 1/2 - 3/4 ton trucks for less than $100...  The Durango box is a bolt on but is pretty much the same as a stock YJ/TJ/XJ as far as piston bore size and uses a sector shaft bushing instead of a bearing...

So the plan is to purchase a cheap 1985 Wagoneer box to install and send the PSC box back to them for an almost free rebuild and swap it back in and keep the wagoneer unit as a trail spare  :wink:
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2017, 04:28:45 AM »
I spoke with PSC today.  They said the sector shaft bearing probably needs to be replaced.  Said I pay to ship it to them and they will take care of it...

Meanwhile - I'll pick up a stock TJ box and swap it in for the time being

Wow that's awesome!
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2017, 06:15:32 AM »
I have a couple CJ (Saginaw)  Boxes on the shelf if interested  ,  4 ears , I only use three.     FjR68

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2017, 06:44:42 AM »
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2017, 04:28:38 PM »
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keep the wagoneer unit as a trail spare
I've been known to carry a lot of parts, but never a steering box  :eek:

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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2017, 04:46:38 PM »
I've seen 3 box failures in the last few years
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Re: Steering Box Questions
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2017, 05:09:09 PM »
I've seen 3 box failures in the last few years

Doc at Fall Crawl and Steve J at Badlands, both were broken sector shafts

Who was the third?
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2017, 05:10:11 PM »
Donny at badlands
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2017, 05:11:01 PM »
That might have been more than a few years
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