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Offline NickMaida

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Steering Play
« on: October 11, 2017, 03:02:42 PM »
I have an old durango steering box in my TJ. I always had some play in the wheel but ever since Rocktoberfest I can turn the wheel probably 2 inches to each side with very little steering change. (and I definitely abused it in the rocks on Saturday).
It has become somewhat challenging to drive on the street. Is that generally a sign of a worn gear box? What do people recommend for upgrading saginaw TJ boxes? Is it just inevitable to destroy a box on hard trails with 35s without hydro assist?
Note: I have the currie currectlync and its less than a year old.
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 03:08:27 PM »
check the tie rod ends first...

if you pump too much grease in those currie joints they get a case of the weeble wobble

drop the steering and check pitman arm wiggle

do you have a drop pitman arm
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 03:13:19 PM »
It was probably due to raising the position of the bracket that holds it in place when I had a tall body lift but I actually wore out the very tiny u-joint that is in between the steering column and steering box. Maybe check that too, it caused a good amount of play in my steering
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 03:42:48 PM »
I don't know that I ever had a CJ with less that 2 inches of play ;-)
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 05:33:05 PM »
Could be a loose/wallowed track bar bolt hole
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 05:36:40 PM »
Best place to start is to get under there and have someone turn the wheel back and forth to see what is moving that shouldn't be.
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 05:39:36 PM »
What rey said. Always the best first step in tracking down the wobble.
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 05:54:27 PM »
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2017, 07:02:58 PM »
X3 Rey and Joe

Get under it and have someone rock the wheel back and fourth.
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 09:09:01 PM »
If after everything Rey and Joe suggested checks out and you have play in the sector shaft - you may need to replace or rebuild the steering box.  The Durango box is marginally stronger than the stock TJ box (small actuator and bushings instead of bearings...)

When my older aftermarket PSC steering box had a little play, I got the casting number off the box - 5687962.  I cross referenced it and it's available for many vehicles and is a large actuator and bearing style - it is definitely an upgrade over stock/Durango.  I sourced mine for a 1985 Jeep Wagoneer, although these boxes were in most American trucks and cars for decades

They are a drop in fit for my 1999 TJ  :wink:

Here's the info for the Waggy unit I have on mine now until I decide to have the PSC one rebuilt



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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 07:45:08 AM »
GOOD SCORE FRANK !

Thats going to be my next steering box, is it any bigger physically than the stock tj one ?
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 07:56:37 AM »
looks like a good option for any planning on tapping a box for hydro assist
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 08:47:30 AM »
X3 Rey and Joe

Get under it and have someone rock the wheel back and fourth.

Or, put a go-pro on a tripod and record each joint when moving the steering wheel back and forth.  That's how I figured out my death wobble by myself.
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 05:51:43 PM »
I use a Camaro Saginaw box in my CJ.  I selected a 10x1 ratio . They have several different speeds to chose from. I only use 3 of the 4 bolt holes and its a bolt in .  FjR68

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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 06:16:23 PM »
GOOD SCORE FRANK !

Thats going to be my next steering box, is it any bigger physically than the stock tj one ?

I didn't have a stock TJ box to compare it with - bolts right up with no modifications or spacers... 
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2017, 09:32:35 PM »
Nick, How was the steering on the way home tonight?

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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2017, 10:47:01 PM »
Nick, How was the steering on the way home tonight?
Perfect! Thanks everyone for the recommendations. I felt so confident in the Currectlync that I prematurely assumed it was the gearbox. I was actually overlooking a loose pitman arm nut. (Thanks Steve for helping me diagnose it today!)
Something must have forced the arm up higher on the shaft. The red loctite on the nut was still holding it tight but the arm had moved. (And I had torqued it to spec when I installed it.)
 So be sure to wire brush the shaft on a junkyard box before installing it! And use loctite!
I guess we’ll have to save hydro assist for another day :(

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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2017, 10:49:38 PM »
I've had that before, it's tough to diagnose without a second set of eyes, or a go pro! Glad you're good to go!
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2017, 06:47:17 AM »
glad it worked out
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Re: Steering Play
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2017, 09:18:08 AM »
Awesome it worked out without new parts!  BTW - the Currie set up is great!
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