Auto vs. Stick....... Got to replace a tranny

[beaker]

My tranny went on the ride home (well it limped me home).  Overdrive and the lock up tq converter appear to be gone.  I'll see for sure once it cools.

Thank you Damon and Ken for the caravan home.  It lost OD just as you guys were getting off at exit 23. 

I have a decision to make.  I have a second complete automatic from another cherokee which I know worked well until the day I pulled it off the road (rot).

I also have a complete stick shift setup.  AX15, bellhousing, flywheel, pedals etc.

I've never wheeled a stick so I don't know what the benefits are.

Which do you think is better,  Stick or Auto?  Why?

 

[CrzyFrlssJeep]

Manual....for compression braking, some auto's won't do that. The fun of shifting your own gears when you want.

Auto....for more precise and controlled crawling, need to change fluid very often for it to last. Also most expensive to rebuild.

 

[massxj]

if you dont want the stick let me know.  mine is no good.  wheeling with a stick is a lot of work but i think its better....... i think the next one will be auto

 

[beaker]

I do have a complete peugeot transmission and transfercase I'm trying to get rid of (cheap = make me an offer).  The AX15 I'll have to see.

Again, If I cool it down (couple hours) it seems to be better again.

Time to check the cooling lines and cooler for blockage.

 

[re-run]

I prefer the control of driving stick, you can play with your speeds and compression braking more, plus it's more fun. But after wheeling with an automatic I would have to say that is the way to go for the more challenging trail. I still live my AX-15 but for a strictly wheeling rig I think I would probably go auto.

 

[toyworx]

Auto.

 

[MasterDrazhar]

I'm diggin the manual action, I'm not a professional, so I don't care what the comp rigs use  :mad02: :mad02: :mad02:

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[xjmark]

I vote Auto.

 

[toyworx]

It's the one moment when your on a steep technical climb. Your momentum has stopped, you need one foot on the brake to keep it from rolling back down the hill. You've got one front tire trying to climb a nasty boulder, and you need to slip the clutch, modulate the gas, and drag the brakes. At that very moment it hits you. "I coulda had an auto..."  :swear_mad:

If you go stick, make sure you put a hand throttle in it. :wink:

 

[CrzyFrlssJeep]

What Toyworx said :mrgreen: I've been in that situation myself.

 

[beaker]

I'm thinking of staying with the auto now.  It seems almost everyone recomends it, even those people with sticks.

Now I need to figure out what's wrong with it or replace it.  I have a replacemnt, just from a 90 so it's got a different output (I have a transfer case to match).

First thing is the cooler lines.  I put in a new radiator and this problem seems to have crept up.  I am thinking the cooler may be plugged.  I was in a rush and did not check it.

It seems to work fine when it's cool.  It only acts up when it's real hot  i.e. 1/2 hour plus of driving.  It didn't give me any trouble until I hit 91 (and the traffic in that town)  Once on the highway it was fine until wethersfield (it was warm when we got to CT).

Does anyone know if you can swap a speed sensor on to a transfercase with a speedo cable?  Pull gear holder and swap in a speed sensor?

 

[CrzyFrlssJeep]

Almost sounds like you need a larger cooler as well, BTW you know thats a Toyota tranny right?

Hence the reason why they cost so much to rebuild, at least the right way. (I was qouted $2200) when mine went south on me.


As for the speedo sensor, I have no idea.

 

[JeepinMaxx]

I'm thinking of staying with the auto now.  It seems almost everyone recomends it, even those people with sticks.

Now I need to figure out what's wrong with it or replace it.  I have a replacemnt, just from a 90 so it's got a different output (I have a transfer case to match).

First thing is the cooler lines.  I put in a new radiator and this problem seems to have crept up.  I am thinking the cooler may be plugged.  I was in a rush and did not check it.

It seems to work fine when it's cool.  It only acts up when it's real hot  i.e. 1/2 hour plus of driving.  It didn't give me any trouble until I hit 91 (and the traffic in that town)  Once on the highway it was fine until wethersfield (it was warm when we got to CT).

Does anyone know if you can swap a speed sensor on to a transfercase with a speedo cable?  Pull gear holder and swap in a speed sensor?

Bernie - with my 4.0L swap I use a Hesco speed sensor that swaps in-line between the speedo cable and T-case (turns out I didn't need it since I had a manual)

PM me if you need the p/n

 

[XJ-Maki]

I'd rather have my eyeballs plucked from my skull by the forked tongue of a winged demon and cast into a river of boiling blood in the seventh circle of hell than to own a vehicle with an automatic tranny....but that's just me.

 

[CJKarl]

I'd rather have my eyeballs plucked from my skull by the forked tongue of a winged demon and cast into a river of boiling blood in the seventh circle of hell than to own a vehicle with an automatic tranny....but that's just me.

Easy on the late night Lord Of The Rings marathons. :grinyes: :grinyes: :grinyes:

 

[gorilla_skater]

I'd rather have my eyeballs plucked from my skull by the forked tongue of a winged demon and cast into a river of boiling blood in the seventh circle of hell than to own a vehicle with an automatic tranny....but that's just me.

One thing I really appreciate is conviction... but i say Auto  :rotflmao:

 

[beaker]

4500?  what are you doing to your poor truck that you need that for?

Now bic, you are obviously a stick fan.  What can you do with a stick that you can't with an auto. What are the advantages?

I've never wheeled a stick, my wheeling rigs have always been autos, all my street cars are stick though. 

On the street, auto's are wrong gear, wrong time, every time.

I picked up the stick because the auto's are such a pain in the a$$ to fix.  Note the dollar signs, those ARE appropriate. 

 

[NomadJeep]

I have always been a 5 spd person, both my YJ and Rubi are sticks... however, If I ever build another, it will probably be Auto....


Stick wheeling is by far Harder, knowing what gear to hop from, and shifting all the time.  There is far more fine tuning with control, however at the end of the day... your body also knows it was harder.  Your leg is tired, your hip and lower back feel the pain, and you just plain in general feel more fatigued.

As toyworxs said, that situation sucks, and I have been there more than once, and that is why you need a good starter to just crank you out of it... (ohh, you cant do that with an auto)  :rotflmao:

But the only complaint I would have with an auto is having to use the breaks for everything.  Slow down here and there....

Auto wheeling is just like having an on off switch, gas on, gas off.  No 1st gear try, no second gear try... just use both feet and give it what you got....

The only problem with Auto wheeling is you better have a damn good cooler, because Auto and Heat do not mix....

 

[beaker]

Well, Just changed the fluid and filter, checked all the cooler lines and installed my tranny cooler from the old jeep.  Now to try it and see if it works okay.

No obvious problems, here's hoping it fixed it.  Compressed air to each line independantly, the cooler and the system all together.

The cooler was the biggest hayden they sold at pep boys.  A plate and fin cooler that's ~11" square.  It's rated for a motor home towing 10k lbs.

If this doesn't fix it, then it's something internal and time to swap tranny's.

 

[xjmark]

I love that HI-9 setup.  :boink:
I was so close to ordering one instead of building the 14 bolt.  Pricey, but what isn't in our sport.  :doh: