EV Vehicle Fires

joe98tj

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Been an issue since the start but as the number of these things out there continues to grow, starting to see alot more about them. In the past I've seen GM and whoever owned Jeep telling people to not park in their own garages due to potential issues. Apparently CT even proposed a bill to prohibit EV vehicles from being able to parking in parking garages.

I just saw this post from a fire department in Indianna. Would love to hear if any of our local fire fighters in this group have been getting new training on how to handle these cases. One heck of a way to lose a $150,000 car.

A “hot” topic in the fire service right now is EV or electric car / lithium ion battery fires. The Carmel Fire Department has experimented with car fire blankets, firefighting foams, and other extinguishment tactics.  If one of these vehicles catches fire on the roadway or in a parking lot, it is hard enough to extinguish, however, one in a garage or other structure presents a whole new set of issues. Over the weekend the Carmel Fire Department responded to the maintenance department of a local dealership for a fire alarm with sprinklers activated.  The first in crews were met with heavy smoke conditions throughout the entire maintenance area. After balancing the alarm, firefighters were able to mostly extinguish the EV car fire up on the lift, however, being lithium ion it’s nearly impossible to fully extinguish due to thermal runaway.  Through different trainings one tactic we have discussed and were able to put into action was to remove the vehicle from the structure. Fire crews were able to lower the car onto wheel dollies, use manpower and a forklift to push the vehicle out of the maintenance area. This required plenty of firefighters and water to keep the fire in check. After loading the vehicle on a flatbed, a fire engine followed the flatbed and vehicle until it reached the salvage yard.

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Terry's post from Nov last year about Stellantis recalling jeeps and telling people to park away from structures: http://forum.northeastjeep.org/index.php?topic=47259.msg512357#msg512357
 
We have one of the EV blankets at every department in town. I believe we have yet to use any of them. Hottest vehicle fire I’ve ever been to was just a 2 year old Chevy with a 5.3…


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I am waiting for code review/redesign guidance for existing parking garages: a Rivian tips the scales at close to 7,000 pounds, the heaviest Suburban ICE equivalent is still 1,000 pounds lighter.  Granted, we have a lot of redundancy associated with design loads but parking garages are typically 40 psf for live load; you start to approach this threshold very quickly
 
Proposed CT Bill Would Ban EV Parking Indoors
https://evclubct.com/proposed-ct-bill-would-ban-ev-parking-indoors/#:~:text=The%20Connecticut%20General%20Assembly%20has,to%20residential%20and%20commercial%20garages.

GM warns some Bolt EV owners: Don’t park them inside or charge them unattended overnight
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/gm-warns-some-bolt-ev-owners-dont-park-them-inside-or-charge-them-unattended-overnight.html

Milford passes ordinance banning EV charging stations from underground parking garages
https://connecticut.news12.com/milford-passes-ordinance-banning-ev-charging-stations-from-underground-parking-garages

Found one online forum post of someone saying he was turned away from a parking garage in Manhattan because it was an EV




 
Just remembering how Jarrett told us he got out of his insurance paying for that random persons car from the fire because they chose to park next to him. Might be something to think about next time you park next to an EV....
 
RedJeepster1 said:
We have one of the EV blankets at every department in town. I believe we have yet to use any of them. Hottest vehicle fire I’ve ever been to was just a 2 year old Chevy with a 5.3…


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Hell yeah! LS swapped that fire!!
 
2ndgearhero said:
I am waiting for code review/redesign guidance for existing parking garages: a Rivian tips the scales at close to 7,000 pounds, the heaviest Suburban ICE equivalent is still 1,000 pounds lighter.  Granted, we have a lot of redundancy associated with design loads but parking garages are typically 40 psf for live load; you start to approach this threshold very quickly

Hummer EV is over 9k
 
A new level said:
2ndgearhero said:
I am waiting for code review/redesign guidance for existing parking garages: a Rivian tips the scales at close to 7,000 pounds, the heaviest Suburban ICE equivalent is still 1,000 pounds lighter.  Granted, we have a lot of redundancy associated with design loads but parking garages are typically 40 psf for live load; you start to approach this threshold very quickly

Hummer EV is over 9k

I did see that  :eek: I am pretty sure the Fred Flintstone car is lighter; and better for the environment!
 
Our primary objective at an EV fire would be protect any exposures. We discussed getting blankets but some members with experience say that the fires are only slowed and not extinguished when covered. The state is working on a recommend response and how to deal with the aftermath.
Fire codes have not been established yet for storage of batteries or parking recommendations/guidelines.
I feel like when guidelines are finally released people are going to be shocked at how dangerous EV vehicles and even E bikes are in confined spaces. As these vehicles get older there will only be more issues.

And those that say a gasoline vehicle can also catch fire, that’s not the issue. The concern is the inability to control and extinguish the fire and prevent further damage to exposures. I have been to plenty of car fires in a garage and we were able to stop it and keep the home or business from be destroyed.

Stick an EV in the garage, add solar to the roof and you have a low chance of having anything left if there is any kind of fire.
 
Hefty vehicles

EV Model                                               Curb Weight (pounds)
GMC Hummer EV Pickup                         9,063
Rivian R1T 217.1                                 7,148 
Rivian R1S 200.8                         6,986
Tesla Cybertruck                                 6,603
Mercedes-Benz EQS 580 4Matic SUV 6,228 
Ford E-Transit Van                6,169
Ford F-150 Lightning             6,015
BMW i7 xDrive 60     5,975
Cadillac Lyriq AWD             5,557
 
that is exactly the chart that I saw.  Complete side note but how long to tires last on an EV? it HAS to be a fraction of an ICE vehicle; what Ken said was that the hummer is almost 10k, my F550 mason dump is a fraction above 10k.
 
just found this out:  in NY, it is building code that you must have the ability to charge your electric vehicle inside your garage to adhere to the 2020 'Stretch' energy code; Even if you don't have an EV, you still need to have the ability to put a charging panel in your garage... whooops
 
YJScrounge said:
Both daughters have EV’s. Replacing tires at the 45k mark compared to 70-80k. Brake wear also accelerated.
I thought they used less
brakes with generative braking.

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Gorilla_Skater said:
YJScrounge said:
Both daughters have EV’s. Replacing tires at the 45k mark compared to 70-80k. Brake wear also accelerated.
I thought they used less
brakes with generative braking.

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Maybe that’s offset by having to slow the extra weight when braking.

The lightest of those is probably about 2500 lbs heavier than my daily.
 
2ndgearhero said:
just found this out:  in NY, it is building code that you must have the ability to charge your electric vehicle inside your garage to adhere to the 2020 'Stretch' energy code; Even if you don't have an EV, you still need to have the ability to put a charging panel in your garage... whooops
new electric code requires all appliances have either wires to the location or conduit for future electrification same for chargers in garages.
 
Talking with a big insurance company about changing, they want a dead space or wall between cars when charging outside. 
 
Technically is moving faster than codes can keep up. Not to mention the pressure from the government (don’t get me started). BTW a Kia EV6 weighs the same as my built JK on 37s
 
On the shuttle bus ride to the Ferry last week if you could fold your electric bike and put it on the bus you could bring it with you. 

No E-bikes were allowed to be on the bike rack on the front of the buss.
 
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